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title: cdist does not (yet) fully support OpenWrt
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pub_date: 2024-08-02
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author: ungleich networking team
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twitter_handle: ungleich
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_hidden: no
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_discoverable: yes
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abstract:
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How we try to use cdist on openwrt and fail
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body:
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## cdist config management
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As many of you know, we use
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[cdist](https://cdi.st) for configuration management at ungleich. And
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we try to manage everything that is not (yet) in kubernetes with it.
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Today's short blog entry is about using cdist with openwrt.
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## OpenWrt at ungleich
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[OpenWrt](https://openwrt.org] is a popular, open source operating
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system used on routers, switches, etc. We use it for providing IPv6
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and IPv4 connectivity to customers world wide.
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So far most of our devices are configured using shell scripts from our
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[ungleich-tool git
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repository](https://code.ungleich.ch/ungleich-public/ungleich-tools).
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However as configurations get more complex, we thought about moving
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our configuration also into cdist.
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## OpenWrt is similar, but not the same
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OpenWrt is, generally speaking, "just another Linux distribution",
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albeit with a very, very small footprint. It has to be, because the
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storage on a typical router can be in the size of a couple Megabytes.
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Right, not Gigabyte, not Terabyte.
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For instance this "large" router has about 9 Megabytes of storage:
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```
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# df -h
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Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
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/dev/root 4.0M 4.0M 0 100% /rom
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tmpfs 217.0M 240.0K 216.8M 0% /tmp
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/dev/mtdblock6 9.1M 420.0K 8.7M 4% /overlay
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overlayfs:/overlay 9.1M 420.0K 8.7M 4% /
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tmpfs 512.0K 0 512.0K 0% /dev
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```
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It does however have 512 MiB of RAM...:
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```
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# free -m
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total used free shared buff/cache available
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Mem: 444428 57120 370184 240 17124 354048
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Swap: 0 0 0
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```
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So, openwrt is a Linux distribution, but its environment is a bit more
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challenging than a general purpose Linux distribution.
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## cdist & openwrt
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Cdist uses so called "types" to configure systems idempotently. They
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usually require some shell support on the target system, but nothing
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fancy.
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However in the case of openwrt, cdist is missing some support, as of
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version 7.0.0:
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* cdist uses the system default ssh and if that uses SFTP instead of
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SCP by default, it will fail, as openwrt, as of 23.05.3, only
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supports legacy scp (-O). Manually patching cdist source code to
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include "-O" fixes this issue for the moment.
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* the most basic cdist type __file uses "cksum" to create a checksum
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over files to decide whether or not to copy a file. cksum was chosen
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in the first place, as it is very basic and can be found
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everywhere. Well, everywhere but on openwrt...
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## Future of cdist & openwrt
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Both above issues can in theory be addressed, but the __file type is
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very basic and needs some checksumming support. Without it, cdist
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lacks a major feature and can be considered not (yet) usable.
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Let's see what the future brings.
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